I need to agree with Wraith. Im super hyped and very curious about this game, since i saw the video from Callum Upton (couple days ago).
I jumped straight to pledge - today, starting to look a bit more into the forum and see a discussion about NFT's. Puffymuffinz, you said yourself "NFTs came to the gaming world fast, and they came mainly with the idea to scam people" and still "At this moment, no NFT talks are being made" but thats no straight "no".
You cant please every customer, i know that and the game needs to finance it by any kind of monetization - for me i rather pay a monthly sub than any of these scummy pay-to-earn / p2w bs. Maybe im just not the right targeted audience (?) idk.
Im just a bit worried since i saw this.
Nontheless, hoplefully the game will be turning out to be a fun/good game and everyone can enjoy it together! Take all the time you need. I wish the best of luck! :-)
I need to agree with Wraith. Im super hyped and very curious about this game, since i saw the video from Callum Upton (couple days ago).
I jumped straight to pledge - today, starting to look a bit more into the forum and see a discussion about NFT's. Puffymuffinz, you said yourself "NFTs came to the gaming world fast, and they came mainly with the idea to scam people" and still "At this moment, no NFT talks are being made" but thats no straight "no".
You cant please every customer, i know that and the game needs to finance it by any kind of monetization - for me i rather pay a monthly sub than any of these scummy pay-to-earn / p2w bs. Maybe im just not the right targeted audience (?) idk.
Im just a bit worried since i saw this.
Nontheless, hoplefully the game will be turning out to be a fun/good game and everyone can enjoy it together! Take all the time you need. I wish the best of luck! :-)
Hey there, as I said we always explore every option available out there for development, monetization, design, etc.
Since NFTs backfire very much on every project they are introduced, we stopped exploring this option.
Nothing has been announced and nothing has been discussed about that, so don't worry about it.
Pay-to-win is strictly out of discussions, we launched our shop, and in that shop only cosmetic items will be sold. No boosters, convenience items, quality of life items and such will be sold there ever. The mounts that are being sold at the moment are purely cosmetic, they are not faster than the free mounts.
I discovered a new term recently that I liked, and it is Pay-to-Shine, so we can name them like that 😊
We are trying to alwasy be as transparent as possible with our community, and we will continue to do so!
Im really happy to hear that! :)
May i ask what kind of stuff will be sold on the shop?
Cosmetics only sounds very good - (mounts, armors, weapons,.. skins in general? anything else?)
The future of the gaming market is to reward its players and have a whole economic system around it. This game is very beautiful, has potential and the RPG market is ''scarce''. Why not make it a play to earn and boost your popularity?
If the developers work the economy correctly and don't make it like the other games that the NFT market had.. Implementing burn, token spending, function to the dolls and items, not becoming a pay to win game and among other systems both burning and reward, it will be a success (in short).
My intention is just to know if he will have the system or give this idea to the developers, I would like this game in that style. And I would also like to know the opinion of the community. I'm open to community opinions and if any moderator or developer wants to talk more about it, I'm available.
I want this game to succeed in every facet that they have possible. If there's one thing I NEVER want to see in this game is some sort of Blockchain/Crypto implementation that takes away from the actual passion of game development. If Play-to-Earn became a singular focus for the development of this game, I'd sooner watch it die.
Im really happy to hear that! :)
May i ask what kind of stuff will be sold on the shop?
Cosmetics only sounds very good - (mounts, armors, weapons,.. skins in general? anything else?)
We think about adding also the possibility to change the color of your spells, and even the animations for some of your skills.
Other stuff as well :)
Hey, I'm new here. Just heard about the game (from Callum Upton, like several others) and stumbled upon this thread, thought I'd give my two cents:
Personally, Play-to-Earn is a huge turn off. Like, worse than Pay-to-Win, even.
I was considering signing up at the highest tier, but I wanted to get a little more info about the game before I jumped in. Put simply, seeing less than an outright refusal to integrate crypto/NFT/blockchain into the game has, at the very least, convinced me not to put any money down yet.
I get that there aren't currently any plans to integrate these things, but the fact that it's not a definitive "no, never" makes me a little apprehensive. I'm still very interested in the game, and I want to see where it goes, but if, in some hypothetical future, the game did integrate some manner of crypto, that would be enough for me to quit on the spot, irrespective of how much else about the game I enjoyed. With that in mind, I'm not going to spend any money, myself, unless I'm sure crypto isn't an eventuality.
I want to be clear here: I have problems with crypto and NFTs on their own, but Pay-to-Win is an especially odious monetization model that defeats the purpose of gaming.
In my opinion, the incentive to play a game should be . . . to play the game. Playing is its own reward. I have a day job. It keeps my bills paid. I don't need or want a second one. I play games to decompress and escape the pressures of the real world, if only for a time. Pay-to-Earn models don't reward people for playing; they turn a game into a job. It turns recreation into labor. If the point of performing an activity is not to derive enjoyment but to derive profit, this creates a pressure upon the player to maximize efficiency in order to meet their real-world needs. It creates an ecosystem in which players who can't keep up will inevitably drop out to find more lucrative means of employment--because, let's be clear, that's what Play-to-Earn models are.
While I'm here, I might as well say that I fundamentally disagree that Play-to-Earn is the future of gaming. There is a very real difference between play and work. They can intermingle at times, but they're different things, at odds with one another. For most people, work exists to secure means of survival while play exists to help them relax and recuperate from the pressures of work.
Play-to-Earn design philosophies convert play INTO work. This, on its own, isn't inherently a bad thing--some people may prefer this form of work over others--but what it means is that people who choose this form of work will still end up seeking out a form of play. Even streamers and eSports professionals need to take breaks, right? It makes no sense to presume that Play-to-Earn is the future of anything because a world where all or most games are Play-to-Earn is a world in which games have stopped being forms of recreation, and there's no reason to presume that people, in general, would stop wanting this specific version of recreation, especially if they like games enough that they'd want to turn them into a job.
It's wrongheaded, I believe, to argue that P2E is the future in any meaningful way. It's likewise wrongheaded to design a game with this concept at its core.
Maybe it would bring new " players " (that I would personnaly just call investors since money would be the goal) but how many would leave the game and how many would be disgusted enough by such practice to not even want to try the game at all ?
Personnally, I play a game to get immersion and rewards only based on my time and skill investment, not at all by money, and sharing a world with players mostly interested by real world money... Honestly that would make the game sad and dusgusting for me.
I think your game have enough of its own WOW inspiration and its own identity as well to become quite popular and cool, that would be sad to throw dirt on such project with this silly real world money goals for players.
NFT`s and Crypto Stuff is a hard pass for me. If this is considert in any kind of way i am out of this!
Play-to-Earn and NFT in this game would mean a few things:
- every remotely credible MMORPG content creator will sh*t on the game and all of their audience will sh*t on the game and not play it, it's a snowballing effect from there
- it will be infested with cheaters, bots, griefers, just look at MIR4 on Steam or Google Play - a mobile trash "MMO" that is almost fully automated, you can just watch the game play itself, poorly ported on PC, most negative reviews depict exactly that - cheaters, bots, griefers, people ganging up on you and corpse-camping you until you get tired and stop playing just because you mined a resource node before they did
Not to mention that Play-to-Earn, NFT, Crypto is currently crashing and burning everywhere you turn. It was a scam from the beginning - games that tout how you can earn money by just playing them (usually turning out to be really low quality and low effort excuses for games), big content creators scamming their audience to buy into NFT or Crypto and then when the share prices rise, the content creators and everyone else that's in on the scam pulls out, then the share prices crash and the gullible audience of these content creators can't sell their shares at all anymore or can only sell them at a significant loss.
Everyone with half a functioning brain cell nowadays can smell those scams from a light year away. Implementing such a tumor into the game just means dooming it to fail and die before even giving it a fighting chance.
That's why I say to anyone who promotes this kind of scam and grift to just save it, because I don't want to hear it. There is not a single example where this practice has worked for everyone and people are happy about it. It's like a pyramid scheme. It's universally frowned upon and nobody likes it except a small, but very vocal minority that is involved into this and want to spread the disease wherever possible just so maybe they can get something out of it and then watch it crash and burn.
TL;DR:
No, I don't want this scam/grift into the game, mostly because it will kill the game and second of all, because it's colossally stupid that it even exists.