To wrap up this week's discussion, we will discuss the Values & Beliefs of the Infernal Demon race.
Do they value only themselves? Maybe believe only in the destruction of all things good and holy? Value only the soul-reaping as their main purpose?
Let's hear your thoughts about the Values & Beliefs of the Infernal Demons!
Last edited: 2022-08-14 05:56:45Infernal demons believe in the theory that storing the Souls of defeated beings (ideally those of humans who are very tasteful) allow them to make themselves immortal and gives them more and more consequent powers. There is even talk of a group of infernal demons who would traffic on the black market, killing and dismembering their own congeners, convinced that their magic and power would be increased tenfold if he ingested them.
Since hellish demons maintain their immortality by consuming human souls, would they be like the undead? or vampires?
Since hellish demons maintain their immortality by consuming human souls, would they be like the undead? or vampires?
▶First of all, I will mention that my intention is not at all to suggest "Good Demons", I like "Dark Demons" (not necessarily "evil") but to suggest a more complex Lore than "Devourers of souls and destruction to mankind" to avoid them looking like the main antagonists, being a playable race.
▶Feel free to disagree with little to everything you will read.
▶In writing this I've based myself on the Constantine comics, the Diablo games, the Daedra from Elder Scrolls, and the lore of Darksiders.
▶Why? Because they have many similarities, and I liked how they knew how to give the "demonic creatures" a complex relationship with their universe.
▶First, I will give the reasons, so you don’t have to read all the context if you don’t want, and then I will bring the context as a suggestion for the Demons Lore.
The opposing forces are interconnected and interdependent in the universe, therefore, any creature has light and darkness, chaos and order within them, if it is within them, they have a connection.
▶The Infernal Demons were able to make the decision to renounce the Infernal Fire to serve Elvyn, therefore, they can decide to be Paladins, Druids or Priests.
▶Being Demons did not prevent them from accepting Elvyn's blessing and powers.
▶Light, darkness, chaos, order, elemental energies and so on are just energies, they have no morals, you just need to learn how to manipulate them, no matter your race.
▶Salomon mentions many demons, and they can grant the ability to control the elements, animals, weather, among other things, so....
A lore suggestion about Demons in general (not just Infernal Demons)
Types of Demons
▶Infernal Demons are not the only race of demons.
▶Demons come in many forms; their infinite diversity makes talking about them generally difficult.
▶It is often impossible to label them accurately as "good" or "evil"; but one thing is certain, demons are beyond the comprehension of mortals, just as mortals seem to be beyond the comprehension of demons.
▶Demons do not see themselves as ”good” or “evil”, neither have the mortal sense of "good" and "evil", but they tend to have incredibly extremist tendencies, which is why the Aragonian mortal races fear them so much and think of them as evil.
▶However, several demon races seem to take real pleasure in acts of devastation, murder, enslavement, and soul harvesting.
▶All demons have their own plans that might not be aligned with those of other demon races, Gods, or leaders.
Greater Demons
▶There are Greater Demons such as demonic Gods or demigods, like Griefthor, are the ones who create more troops or new species of demons from purely their essence and/or essences of beings or things from other worlds.
▶They also transform other races or objects into their demonic versions, which is an entirely different process.
Pure demons
▶Minor but highly intelligent demons. They consider themselves above other demonic creatures, who are seen as unthinking and impure animals, due to their mixed "essence". Most of them were the first "pure" creations of the Greater Demons.
Transformed demons (such as the Infernal Demons).
▶Once mortal, they are lethal, this is because, now as immortal creatures, most of them do not fear death, but are inexperienced and often treated poorly by Greater Demons.
▶They commonly reproduce through sexual union between them, though there are strange cases where this union occurs between Created Demons and even between Pure Demons for reasons beyond mortal comprehension.
Created Demons
▶Only the most powerful beings can create demons. They vary in power and intelligence according to the desires of the creator. Often, they only play the role for which they were born or created.
Demonic Realms
▶The Demonic realms are parallel and connected to the different worlds, each world is like an onion, it has several layers which are the different realms that constitute that world, and all layers are connected between them, time and space is different in each realm.
▶All worlds are connected, though these paths aren't visible and most of them are dangerous.
Nature
▶When the time and space began, with the “The First Wave”, the event caused by the interaction between the 4 Primordials and “The Void”.
▶The greater, older and pure Demons were created along with other Greater, Older, Cosmic and Divine worlds, entities and beings, like Aragon, Griefthor, Elvyn, Graz’modan and The Old Gods.
▶It is the nature of the less powerful Demons to serve those who show a stronger will and power, such as Gods, Pure Demons, Entities or powerful Witches or Mages (evil or good), and by serving such entities, the Demons gain status, glory, and reward between their clans.
▶In the case of those who serve a specific purpose for a powerful entity, they exist to serve that purpose.
▶Demons are great imitators, and they aren't aware of it, it's in their nature. Their creations are a "mimicked" version of things found on other worlds and realms, in a weird or even corrupted way.
▶The Pure Demons have also created their own species of Demons that resemble species found on other worlds and realms, like Demonic beasts, birds, fishes, buildings, technology, etc.
Society
▶Demonic society is a clan-based system that upholds the values of oaths, pride, honor, loyalty, and mainly power, all for the clan, for themselves, and for the entity or being they serve, which they often revere as a god.
▶Demonic society can be a kind of violent meritocracy, in which one's position is determined by the level of power one possesses.
▶Demons take pride in their hierarchies. Order is wrested from chaos by extreme force of will. Rank and order mean glory to the Demons, as maintaining such things in their chaotic realms exhibits enormous willpower and power.
▶This is because superior Demons always seek power and status and are constantly at war with each other in an attempt to control other worlds and realms.
▶Unique and skilled individuals have the potential for a leadership position.
▶They can work together if they are under a powerful leader.
▶They are usually interested in their mortal worshippers, this is due to the obvious ego gratification and being someone’s God and the glory, it brings them among Demon society, this is because most mortals fear them and having mortals worship them is seen as a sign of power, and because Demons like to keep an eye on potential future subjects.
▶Although it is in their nature to serve more powerful beings or purposes, some Demons may remain unaligned for a long time if they find no being or purpose worthy of their servitude or aligned with their own purposes.
Immortality
▶The physical form of Demons can be “destroyed” but cannot be killed; the soul of a slain Demon returns to the spirit realm of its respective world until it manages to merge into a physical form again.
▶Dead Demons are said to have been "banished" or "purged" rather than "killed" to reflect this.
▶No one knows what happens to a dead Demon in the spirit realm, but some people think this may be the only way to permanently kill a Demon.
▶One way to permanently incapacitate a Demon (even powerful ones) can be done by binding a part of the Demon's soul, to an object such as a weapon, a gem or a skull, etc.
▶They cannot "reform/return" unless someone releases that portion of the Demon's soul. The success of the binding depends on the difference between the Demon's power, the size of the soul portion, and the power of the user performing the process.
Infernal Demons
Origin
▶The Lore section mentions that they were created by the ancient gods and then Griefthor taught them the dark arts and gave them the gift of infernal fire.
▶Which leads me to believe that the Infernal Demons were another race before they transformed. Elves come from the Infernal Demons thanks to Elvyn, but the Infernal Demons come from another race, they were transformed by Griefthor.
▶And that fire is a creation of Griefthor, probably his twisted version of the fire found in Aragon or some other world.
▶Applying some of this style, they can also introduce this ancient race as a playable race in some future expansion, survivors of the siege of Griefthor's demonic forces.
Goal
▶Instead of making the Infernal Demons just want to eradicate life, humanity and soul eaters, they could be given a more complex approach, to their purposes no longer aligning with Griefthor's, half of them deciding to serve Elvyn in exchange for freeing them from their slavery and appearance.
▶But at what cost? The story of the Elves might revolve around finding out, perhaps only the Elven leaders in the highest ranks know, and the relationship with Elvyn is not what they have been told.
▶And the story of the remaining half Infernal Demons may revolve around their new purpose being to seek their origins, before they were transformed into Demons and the obstacles they must face because this doesn't align with Griefthor's purposes, such as the Sacred Order seeing them as a threat regardless of their intentions and has tried to eliminate them at all cost.
▶The Domination sees them as potential strong allies because they value honor, oaths and power (in their own way) to their abilities and their seemingly "honorable" intentions, which of course may change in the future.
▶Infernal Demons may perceive "Domination" and their leaders as an exhibit of power and will, to get races of such "different" and "problematic" nature, with high chances of chaos and fighting each other, to work together and organized for so long, and this is something admirable in demonic societies, a show of true strength and that may help them to reach their goal.
▶They can feed on food, flesh, blood, bones, but are especially attracted to beings and objects that resonate with energy, and emotions. Contrary to the belief that Demons eat souls, most of them prefer to capture and torture them to use the energy they release for their creations and purposes beyond mortal comprehension
▶First of all, I will mention that my intention is not at all to suggest "Good Demons", I like "Dark Demons" (not necessarily "evil") but to suggest a more complex Lore than "Devourers of souls and destruction to mankind" to avoid them looking like the main antagonists, being a playable race.
▶Feel free to disagree with little to everything you will read.
▶In writing this I've based myself on the Constantine comics, the Diablo games, the Daedra from Elder Scrolls, and the lore of Darksiders.
▶Why? Because they have many similarities, and I liked how they knew how to give the "demonic creatures" a complex relationship with their universe.
▶First, I will give the reasons, so you don’t have to read all the context if you don’t want, and then I will bring the context as a suggestion for the Demons Lore.
The opposing forces are interconnected and interdependent in the universe, therefore, any creature has light and darkness, chaos and order within them, if it is within them, they have a connection.
▶The Infernal Demons were able to make the decision to renounce the Infernal Fire to serve Elvyn, therefore, they can decide to be Paladins, Druids or Priests.
▶Being Demons did not prevent them from accepting Elvyn's blessing and powers.
▶Light, darkness, chaos, order, elemental energies and so on are just energies, they have no morals, you just need to learn how to manipulate them, no matter your race.
▶Salomon mentions many demons, and they can grant the ability to control the elements, animals, weather, among other things, so....
A lore suggestion about Demons in general (not just Infernal Demons)
Types of Demons
▶Infernal Demons are not the only race of demons.
▶Demons come in many forms; their infinite diversity makes talking about them generally difficult.
▶It is often impossible to label them accurately as "good" or "evil"; but one thing is certain, demons are beyond the comprehension of mortals, just as mortals seem to be beyond the comprehension of demons.
▶Demons do not see themselves as ”good” or “evil”, neither have the mortal sense of "good" and "evil", but they tend to have incredibly extremist tendencies, which is why the Aragonian mortal races fear them so much and think of them as evil.
▶However, several demon races seem to take real pleasure in acts of devastation, murder, enslavement, and soul harvesting.
▶All demons have their own plans that might not be aligned with those of other demon races, Gods, or leaders.
Greater Demons
▶There are Greater Demons such as demonic Gods or demigods, like Griefthor, are the ones who create more troops or new species of demons from purely their essence and/or essences of beings or things from other worlds.
▶They also transform other races or objects into their demonic versions, which is an entirely different process.
Pure demons
▶Minor but highly intelligent demons. They consider themselves above other demonic creatures, who are seen as unthinking and impure animals, due to their mixed "essence". Most of them were the first "pure" creations of the Greater Demons.
Transformed demons (such as the Infernal Demons).
▶Once mortal, they are lethal, this is because, now as immortal creatures, most of them do not fear death, but are inexperienced and often treated poorly by Greater Demons.
▶They commonly reproduce through sexual union between them, though there are strange cases where this union occurs between Created Demons and even between Pure Demons for reasons beyond mortal comprehension.
Created Demons
▶Only the most powerful beings can create demons. They vary in power and intelligence according to the desires of the creator. Often, they only play the role for which they were born or created.
Demonic Realms
▶The Demonic realms are parallel and connected to the different worlds, each world is like an onion, it has several layers which are the different realms that constitute that world, and all layers are connected between them, time and space is different in each realm.
▶All worlds are connected, though these paths aren't visible and most of them are dangerous.
Nature
▶When the time and space began, with the “The First Wave”, the event caused by the interaction between the 4 Primordials and “The Void”.
▶The greater, older and pure Demons were created along with other Greater, Older, Cosmic and Divine worlds, entities and beings, like Aragon, Griefthor, Elvyn, Graz’modan and The Old Gods.
▶It is the nature of the less powerful Demons to serve those who show a stronger will and power, such as Gods, Pure Demons, Entities or powerful Witches or Mages (evil or good), and by serving such entities, the Demons gain status, glory, and reward between their clans.
▶In the case of those who serve a specific purpose for a powerful entity, they exist to serve that purpose.
▶Demons are great imitators, and they aren't aware of it, it's in their nature. Their creations are a "mimicked" version of things found on other worlds and realms, in a weird or even corrupted way.
▶The Pure Demons have also created their own species of Demons that resemble species found on other worlds and realms, like Demonic beasts, birds, fishes, buildings, technology, etc.
Society
▶Demonic society is a clan-based system that upholds the values of oaths, pride, honor, loyalty, and mainly power, all for the clan, for themselves, and for the entity or being they serve, which they often revere as a god.
▶Demonic society can be a kind of violent meritocracy, in which one's position is determined by the level of power one possesses.
▶Demons take pride in their hierarchies. Order is wrested from chaos by extreme force of will. Rank and order mean glory to the Demons, as maintaining such things in their chaotic realms exhibits enormous willpower and power.
▶This is because superior Demons always seek power and status and are constantly at war with each other in an attempt to control other worlds and realms.
▶Unique and skilled individuals have the potential for a leadership position.
▶They can work together if they are under a powerful leader.
▶They are usually interested in their mortal worshippers, this is due to the obvious ego gratification and being someone’s God and the glory, it brings them among Demon society, this is because most mortals fear them and having mortals worship them is seen as a sign of power, and because Demons like to keep an eye on potential future subjects.
▶Although it is in their nature to serve more powerful beings or purposes, some Demons may remain unaligned for a long time if they find no being or purpose worthy of their servitude or aligned with their own purposes.
Immortality
▶The physical form of Demons can be “destroyed” but cannot be killed; the soul of a slain Demon returns to the spirit realm of its respective world until it manages to merge into a physical form again.
▶Dead Demons are said to have been "banished" or "purged" rather than "killed" to reflect this.
▶No one knows what happens to a dead Demon in the spirit realm, but some people think this may be the only way to permanently kill a Demon.
▶One way to permanently incapacitate a Demon (even powerful ones) can be done by binding a part of the Demon's soul, to an object such as a weapon, a gem or a skull, etc.
▶They cannot "reform/return" unless someone releases that portion of the Demon's soul. The success of the binding depends on the difference between the Demon's power, the size of the soul portion, and the power of the user performing the process.
Infernal Demons
Origin
▶The Lore section mentions that they were created by the ancient gods and then Griefthor taught them the dark arts and gave them the gift of infernal fire.
▶Which leads me to believe that the Infernal Demons were another race before they transformed. Elves come from the Infernal Demons thanks to Elvyn, but the Infernal Demons come from another race, they were transformed by Griefthor.
▶And that fire is a creation of Griefthor, probably his twisted version of the fire found in Aragon or some other world.
▶Applying some of this style, they can also introduce this ancient race as a playable race in some future expansion, survivors of the siege of Griefthor's demonic forces.
Goal
▶Instead of making the Infernal Demons just want to eradicate life, humanity and soul eaters, they could be given a more complex approach, to their purposes no longer aligning with Griefthor's, half of them deciding to serve Elvyn in exchange for freeing them from their slavery and appearance.
▶But at what cost? The story of the Elves might revolve around finding out, perhaps only the Elven leaders in the highest ranks know, and the relationship with Elvyn is not what they have been told.
▶And the story of the remaining half Infernal Demons may revolve around their new purpose being to seek their origins, before they were transformed into Demons and the obstacles they must face because this doesn't align with Griefthor's purposes, such as the Sacred Order seeing them as a threat regardless of their intentions and has tried to eliminate them at all cost.
▶The Domination sees them as potential strong allies because they value honor, oaths and power (in their own way) to their abilities and their seemingly "honorable" intentions, which of course may change in the future.
▶Infernal Demons may perceive "Domination" and their leaders as an exhibit of power and will, to get races of such "different" and "problematic" nature, with high chances of chaos and fighting each other, to work together and organized for so long, and this is something admirable in demonic societies, a show of true strength and that may help them to reach their goal.
▶They can feed on food, flesh, blood, bones, but are especially attracted to beings and objects that resonate with energy, and emotions. Contrary to the belief that Demons eat souls, most of them prefer to capture and torture them to use the energy they release for their creations and purposes beyond mortal comprehension
Thank you, sir!
It was an interesting and insightful read.
Thank you, sir!
It was an interesting and insightful read.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read all that! I really appreciate!
Last edited: 2022-07-27 15:22:48▶First of all, I will mention that my intention is not at all to suggest "Good Demons", I like "Dark Demons" (not necessarily "evil") but to suggest a more complex Lore than "Devourers of souls and destruction to mankind" to avoid them looking like the main antagonists, being a playable race.
▶Feel free to disagree with little to everything you will read.
▶In writing this I've based myself on the Constantine comics, the Diablo games, the Daedra from Elder Scrolls, and the lore of Darksiders.
▶Why? Because they have many similarities, and I liked how they knew how to give the "demonic creatures" a complex relationship with their universe.
▶First, I will give the reasons, so you don’t have to read all the context if you don’t want, and then I will bring the context as a suggestion for the Demons Lore.
The opposing forces are interconnected and interdependent in the universe, therefore, any creature has light and darkness, chaos and order within them, if it is within them, they have a connection.
▶The Infernal Demons were able to make the decision to renounce the Infernal Fire to serve Elvyn, therefore, they can decide to be Paladins, Druids or Priests.
▶Being Demons did not prevent them from accepting Elvyn's blessing and powers.
▶Light, darkness, chaos, order, elemental energies and so on are just energies, they have no morals, you just need to learn how to manipulate them, no matter your race.
▶Salomon mentions many demons, and they can grant the ability to control the elements, animals, weather, among other things, so....
A lore suggestion about Demons in general (not just Infernal Demons)
Types of Demons
▶Infernal Demons are not the only race of demons.
▶Demons come in many forms; their infinite diversity makes talking about them generally difficult.
▶It is often impossible to label them accurately as "good" or "evil"; but one thing is certain, demons are beyond the comprehension of mortals, just as mortals seem to be beyond the comprehension of demons.
▶Demons do not see themselves as ”good” or “evil”, neither have the mortal sense of "good" and "evil", but they tend to have incredibly extremist tendencies, which is why the Aragonian mortal races fear them so much and think of them as evil.
▶However, several demon races seem to take real pleasure in acts of devastation, murder, enslavement, and soul harvesting.
▶All demons have their own plans that might not be aligned with those of other demon races, Gods, or leaders.
Greater Demons
▶There are Greater Demons such as demonic Gods or demigods, like Griefthor, are the ones who create more troops or new species of demons from purely their essence and/or essences of beings or things from other worlds.
▶They also transform other races or objects into their demonic versions, which is an entirely different process.
Pure demons
▶Minor but highly intelligent demons. They consider themselves above other demonic creatures, who are seen as unthinking and impure animals, due to their mixed "essence". Most of them were the first "pure" creations of the Greater Demons.
Transformed demons (such as the Infernal Demons).
▶Once mortal, they are lethal, this is because, now as immortal creatures, most of them do not fear death, but are inexperienced and often treated poorly by Greater Demons.
▶They commonly reproduce through sexual union between them, though there are strange cases where this union occurs between Created Demons and even between Pure Demons for reasons beyond mortal comprehension.
Created Demons
▶Only the most powerful beings can create demons. They vary in power and intelligence according to the desires of the creator. Often, they only play the role for which they were born or created.
Demonic Realms
▶The Demonic realms are parallel and connected to the different worlds, each world is like an onion, it has several layers which are the different realms that constitute that world, and all layers are connected between them, time and space is different in each realm.
▶All worlds are connected, though these paths aren't visible and most of them are dangerous.
Nature
▶When the time and space began, with the “The First Wave”, the event caused by the interaction between the 4 Primordials and “The Void”.
▶The greater, older and pure Demons were created along with other Greater, Older, Cosmic and Divine worlds, entities and beings, like Aragon, Griefthor, Elvyn, Graz’modan and The Old Gods.
▶It is the nature of the less powerful Demons to serve those who show a stronger will and power, such as Gods, Pure Demons, Entities or powerful Witches or Mages (evil or good), and by serving such entities, the Demons gain status, glory, and reward between their clans.
▶In the case of those who serve a specific purpose for a powerful entity, they exist to serve that purpose.
▶Demons are great imitators, and they aren't aware of it, it's in their nature. Their creations are a "mimicked" version of things found on other worlds and realms, in a weird or even corrupted way.
▶The Pure Demons have also created their own species of Demons that resemble species found on other worlds and realms, like Demonic beasts, birds, fishes, buildings, technology, etc.
Society
▶Demonic society is a clan-based system that upholds the values of oaths, pride, honor, loyalty, and mainly power, all for the clan, for themselves, and for the entity or being they serve, which they often revere as a god.
▶Demonic society can be a kind of violent meritocracy, in which one's position is determined by the level of power one possesses.
▶Demons take pride in their hierarchies. Order is wrested from chaos by extreme force of will. Rank and order mean glory to the Demons, as maintaining such things in their chaotic realms exhibits enormous willpower and power.
▶This is because superior Demons always seek power and status and are constantly at war with each other in an attempt to control other worlds and realms.
▶Unique and skilled individuals have the potential for a leadership position.
▶They can work together if they are under a powerful leader.
▶They are usually interested in their mortal worshippers, this is due to the obvious ego gratification and being someone’s God and the glory, it brings them among Demon society, this is because most mortals fear them and having mortals worship them is seen as a sign of power, and because Demons like to keep an eye on potential future subjects.
▶Although it is in their nature to serve more powerful beings or purposes, some Demons may remain unaligned for a long time if they find no being or purpose worthy of their servitude or aligned with their own purposes.
Immortality
▶The physical form of Demons can be “destroyed” but cannot be killed; the soul of a slain Demon returns to the spirit realm of its respective world until it manages to merge into a physical form again.
▶Dead Demons are said to have been "banished" or "purged" rather than "killed" to reflect this.
▶No one knows what happens to a dead Demon in the spirit realm, but some people think this may be the only way to permanently kill a Demon.
▶One way to permanently incapacitate a Demon (even powerful ones) can be done by binding a part of the Demon's soul, to an object such as a weapon, a gem or a skull, etc.
▶They cannot "reform/return" unless someone releases that portion of the Demon's soul. The success of the binding depends on the difference between the Demon's power, the size of the soul portion, and the power of the user performing the process.
Infernal Demons
Origin
▶The Lore section mentions that they were created by the ancient gods and then Griefthor taught them the dark arts and gave them the gift of infernal fire.
▶Which leads me to believe that the Infernal Demons were another race before they transformed. Elves come from the Infernal Demons thanks to Elvyn, but the Infernal Demons come from another race, they were transformed by Griefthor.
▶And that fire is a creation of Griefthor, probably his twisted version of the fire found in Aragon or some other world.
▶Applying some of this style, they can also introduce this ancient race as a playable race in some future expansion, survivors of the siege of Griefthor's demonic forces.
Goal
▶Instead of making the Infernal Demons just want to eradicate life, humanity and soul eaters, they could be given a more complex approach, to their purposes no longer aligning with Griefthor's, half of them deciding to serve Elvyn in exchange for freeing them from their slavery and appearance.
▶But at what cost? The story of the Elves might revolve around finding out, perhaps only the Elven leaders in the highest ranks know, and the relationship with Elvyn is not what they have been told.
▶And the story of the remaining half Infernal Demons may revolve around their new purpose being to seek their origins, before they were transformed into Demons and the obstacles they must face because this doesn't align with Griefthor's purposes, such as the Sacred Order seeing them as a threat regardless of their intentions and has tried to eliminate them at all cost.
▶The Domination sees them as potential strong allies because they value honor, oaths and power (in their own way) to their abilities and their seemingly "honorable" intentions, which of course may change in the future.
▶Infernal Demons may perceive "Domination" and their leaders as an exhibit of power and will, to get races of such "different" and "problematic" nature, with high chances of chaos and fighting each other, to work together and organized for so long, and this is something admirable in demonic societies, a show of true strength and that may help them to reach their goal.
▶They can feed on food, flesh, blood, bones, but are especially attracted to beings and objects that resonate with energy, and emotions. Contrary to the belief that Demons eat souls, most of them prefer to capture and torture them to use the energy they release for their creations and purposes beyond mortal comprehension
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